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Why past tense in imaginative play in Finnish?

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When playing house with a child, they say things like "Nyt se meni nukkumaan." when they mean that I should have the toy I am playing with go to bed. Similar use of the simple past / imperfect tense is what the child uses all the time in such contexts.

("meni" is past tense and translates to "went" in English)

The child has been living abroad for about three years now and I no longer remember if this pattern of speech is typical of Finnish children playing.

What is going on here? Why they use of past tense to imply that something should be done, and especially in imaginative play; this does not happen otherwise?

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Could the child be saying, or aiming at, "nyt se menis nukkumaan"? That would be the usual thing for a child to say when playing house.

The form "menis" (in standard Finnish "menisi") is not past tense indicative but present tense conditional: "would go".

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tommi‭ wrote over 3 years ago

Ehkä. Pitääpä tarkkailla lisää ja kuunnella millainen puhekieli hänellä yleensä on. Toki leikkiminen tapahtuu usein kirjakielisemmin kuin tavallinen puhuminen.

Jirka Hanika‭ wrote over 3 years ago · edited over 3 years ago

It's true that "meni" could be a phonological simplification for "menis" or "menisi" (with a very young child swallowing the last syllable) rather than a genuine grammatical phenomenon. Most children stop omitting syllables and simplifying consonant clusters massively by the age of 3 or 4, possibly with a small number words remaining truncated or simplified till the age of 5. If the child is older than that, it's best to assume that they aimed at what they said.