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Q&A How did "re" + "join" semantically compound to mean "riposte"?

In French, « joindre » means "to join". What semantic notions underlie « joindre » with the 2020 English "rejoin", which means to riposte? How did rejoindre shift to signify the 2020 English "rej...

0 answers  ·  posted 3y ago by PSTH‭  ·  edited 2y ago by PSTH‭

#3: Post edited by user avatar PSTH‭ · 2021-08-20T06:57:49Z (over 2 years ago)
  • In French, « joindre » means "to join". What semantic notions underlie « joindre » with the 2020 English "rejoin", which means to riposte? How did *rejoindre* shift to signify the 2020 English "rejoin"? Clearly, "to rejoin" and "to riposte" don't mean the same actions!
  • [This French Stack Exchange comment](https://french.stackexchange.com/questions/43121/comment-re-joindre-glissent-t-ils-s%c3%a9mantiquement-pour-signifier-r%c3%a9to#comment87380_43121) vouches that Etymonline below is wrong, because *rejoindre* has never meant "to answer a legal charge".
  • ###[rejoin (v.2)](https://www.etymonline.com/word/rejoin)
  • > "to answer," mid-15c., legal term,
  • from Middle French *rejoin-*, stem of *rejoindre* "to answer to a legal charge,"
  • from Old French *re-* "back" (see [re-](https://www.etymonline.com/word/re-?ref=etymonline_crossreference)) + *joindre* "to join, connect, unite,"
  • from Latin *iungere* "to join together, unite, yoke," from nasalized form of PIE root [\*yeug-](https://www.etymonline.com/word/*yeug-?ref=etymonline_crossreference) "to join." General (non-legal) meaning first recorded 1630s.
  • ###[rejoinder (n.)](https://www.etymonline.com/word/rejoinder)
  • > mid-15c., from Middle French noun use of *rejoindre* "to answer to a legal charge" (see [rejoin](https://www.etymonline.com/word/rejoin?ref=etymonline_crossreference#etymonline_v_10359) (v.2)). Originally "defendant's answer to the replication" (the fourth stage in the pleadings in an action at common law).
  • For noun use of infinitive in French law terms, see [waiver](https://www.etymonline.com/word/waiver?ref=etymonline_crossreference).
  • In French, « joindre » means "to join". What semantic notions underlie « joindre » with the 2020 English "rejoin", which means to riposte? How did *rejoindre* shift to signify the 2020 English "rejoin"? Clearly, "to rejoin" and "to riposte" don't mean the same actions!
  • [This French Stack Exchange comment](https://french.stackexchange.com/questions/43121/comment-re-joindre-glissent-t-ils-s%c3%a9mantiquement-pour-signifier-r%c3%a9to#comment87380_43121) vouches that Etymonline below is wrong, because *rejoindre* has never meant "to answer a legal charge".
  • ### [rejoin (v.2)](https://www.etymonline.com/word/rejoin)
  • > "to answer," mid-15c., legal term,
  • from Middle French *rejoin-*, stem of *rejoindre* "to answer to a legal charge,"
  • from Old French *re-* "back" (see [re-](https://www.etymonline.com/word/re-?ref=etymonline_crossreference)) + *joindre* "to join, connect, unite,"
  • from Latin *iungere* "to join together, unite, yoke," from nasalized form of PIE root [\*yeug-](https://www.etymonline.com/word/*yeug-?ref=etymonline_crossreference) "to join." General (non-legal) meaning first recorded 1630s.
  • ### [rejoinder (n.)](https://www.etymonline.com/word/rejoinder)
  • > mid-15c., from Middle French noun use of *rejoindre* "to answer to a legal charge" (see [rejoin](https://www.etymonline.com/word/rejoin?ref=etymonline_crossreference#etymonline_v_10359) (v.2)). Originally "defendant's answer to the replication" (the fourth stage in the pleadings in an action at common law).
  • For noun use of infinitive in French law terms, see [waiver](https://www.etymonline.com/word/waiver?ref=etymonline_crossreference).
#2: Post edited by user avatar Moshi‭ · 2020-11-10T23:31:25Z (over 3 years ago)
In French, « joindre »  means "to join". What semantic notions underlie « joindre »  with the 2020 English "rejoin", which means to riposte? How did *rejoindre* shift to signify the 2020 English "rejoin"? Clearly, "to rejoin" and "to riposte" don't mean the same actions!

[This French Stack Exchange comment](https://french.stackexchange.com/questions/43121/comment-re-joindre-glissent-t-ils-s%c3%a9mantiquement-pour-signifier-r%c3%a9to#comment87380_43121) vouches that Etymonline below is wrong, because *rejoindre* has never meant "to answer a legal charge".  

###[rejoin (v.2)](https://www.etymonline.com/word/rejoin)

> "to answer," mid-15c., legal term,     
from Middle French *rejoin-*, stem of *rejoindre* "to answer to a legal charge,"     
from Old French *re-* "back" (see [re-](https://www.etymonline.com/word/re-?ref=etymonline_crossreference)) + *joindre* "to join, connect, unite,"    
from Latin *iungere* "to join together, unite, yoke," from nasalized form of PIE root [\*yeug-](https://www.etymonline.com/word/*yeug-?ref=etymonline_crossreference) "to join." General (non-legal) meaning first recorded 1630s.

###[rejoinder (n.)](https://www.etymonline.com/word/rejoinder)

> mid-15c., from Middle French noun use of *rejoindre* "to answer to a legal charge" (see [rejoin](https://www.etymonline.com/word/rejoin?ref=etymonline_crossreference#etymonline_v_10359) (v.2)).   Originally "defendant's answer to the replication" (the fourth stage in the pleadings in an action at common law).       
For noun use of infinitive in French law terms, see [waiver](https://www.etymonline.com/word/waiver?ref=etymonline_crossreference).
#1: Initial revision by user avatar PSTH‭ · 2020-11-10T07:32:40Z (over 3 years ago)
How did "re" + "join" semantically compound to mean "riposte"?
In French, « joindre »  means "to join". What semantic notions underlie « joindre »  with the 2020 English "rejoin", which means to riposte? How did *rejoindre* shift to signify the 2020 English "rejoin"? Clearly, "to rejoin" and "to riposte" don't mean the same actions!

[This French Stack Exchange comment](https://french.stackexchange.com/questions/43121/comment-re-joindre-glissent-t-ils-s%c3%a9mantiquement-pour-signifier-r%c3%a9to#comment87380_43121) vouches that Etymonline below is wrong, because *rejoindre* has never meant "to answer a legal charge".  

###[rejoin (v.2)](https://www.etymonline.com/word/rejoin)

> "to answer," mid-15c., legal term,     
from Middle French *rejoin-*, stem of *rejoindre* "to answer to a legal charge,"     
from Old French *re-* "back" (see [re-](https://www.etymonline.com/word/re-?ref=etymonline_crossreference)) + *joindre* "to join, connect, unite,"    
from Latin *iungere* "to join together, unite, yoke," from nasalized form of PIE root [\*yeug-](https://www.etymonline.com/word/*yeug-?ref=etymonline_crossreference) "to join." General (non-legal) meaning first recorded 1630s.

###[rejoinder (n.)](https://www.etymonline.com/word/rejoinder)

> mid-15c., from Middle French noun use of *rejoindre* "to answer to a legal charge" (see [rejoin](https://www.etymonline.com/word/rejoin?ref=etymonline_crossreference#etymonline_v_10359) (v.2)).   Originally "defendant's answer to the replication" (the fourth stage in the pleadings in an action at common law).       
For noun use of infinitive in French law terms, see [waiver](https://www.etymonline.com/word/waiver?ref=etymonline_crossreference).