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What semantic notions underlie "dismiss, put away" (desmetre) 🢂 with transferring property or granting a lease (demise)? This semantic shift befuddles me, because — Humans "dismiss, put away"...
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2022-07-24T02:24:55Z (over 2 years ago)
- What semantic notions underlie "dismiss, put away" (desmetre) 🢂 with transferring property or granting a lease (demise)?
This semantic shift befuddles me, because- 1. Humans "dismiss, put away" merely physical objects that they dislike. "dismiss, put away" has a negative connotation.
- 2. "dismiss, put away" refers to tangible goods. In the first diagram below, see Property 🢂 personal property 🡺 chattels personal 🡲 choses in possession.
- No native English speaker would say that they "dismiss, put away" real estate!
- [Top picture](https://www.degruyter.com/document/doi/10.1515/ijld-2016-0001/html?lang=de). [Bottom picture](https://www.slideshare.net/lldcd/definitions-of-property-b-slide-show).
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### Definition from law textbook published in England- >DEMISE: A transfer, usually by the grant of
- a lease.
- Antonia Layard, _Thompson's Modern Land Law_ (8 edn, 2022, OUP), page 543.
### [demise (n.) ](https://www.etymonline.com/search?q=demise) [on Etymonline]- >
- >mid-15c., "transference of property, grant of land for life or a period of years," via Anglo-French
- from Old French _demis_, fem. past participle of _desmetre_ "dismiss, put away" (Modern French _démettre_),
- from _des-_"away" (from Latin _dis-_)
- \+ _metre_ "put,"[]() from Latin _mittere_ "let go, send" (see [mission](https://www.etymonline.com/word/mission?ref=etymonline_crossreference)).
- >
- >Originally especially "a conveyance of an estate by will or lease," then "transfer of sovereignty," as by the death or deposing of a king (1540s). The sense was transferred to "death" (as the occasion of such a transfer) by 1754, at first especially the death of a sovereign or other important person, but also as a euphemism for "death."
- What semantic notions underlie "dismiss, put away" (desmetre) 🢂 with transferring property or granting a lease (demise)?
- This semantic shift befuddles me, because —
- 1. Humans "dismiss, put away" merely physical objects that they dislike. "dismiss, put away" has a negative connotation.
- 2. "dismiss, put away" refers to tangible goods. In the first diagram below, see Property 🢂 personal property 🡺 chattels personal 🡲 choses in possession.
- No native English speaker would say that they "dismiss, put away" real estate!
- [Top picture](https://www.degruyter.com/document/doi/10.1515/ijld-2016-0001/html?lang=de). [Bottom picture](https://www.slideshare.net/lldcd/definitions-of-property-b-slide-show).
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- >DEMISE: A transfer, usually by the grant of
- a lease.
- Antonia Layard, _Thompson's Modern Land Law_ (8 edn, 2022, OUP), page 543.
- >### [demise (n.) ](https://www.etymonline.com/search?q=demise) [on Etymonline]
- >
- >mid-15c., "transference of property, grant of land for life or a period of years," via Anglo-French
- from Old French _demis_, fem. past participle of _desmetre_ "dismiss, put away" (Modern French _démettre_),
- from _des-_"away" (from Latin _dis-_)
- \+ _metre_ "put,"[]() from Latin _mittere_ "let go, send" (see [mission](https://www.etymonline.com/word/mission?ref=etymonline_crossreference)).
- >
- >Originally especially "a conveyance of an estate by will or lease," then "transfer of sovereignty," as by the death or deposing of a king (1540s). The sense was transferred to "death" (as the occasion of such a transfer) by 1754, at first especially the death of a sovereign or other important person, but also as a euphemism for "death."
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PSTH
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2022-07-18T03:18:27Z (over 2 years ago)
- What semantic notions underlie "dismiss, put away" (desmetre) 🢂 with transferring property or granting a lease (demise)?
This semantic shift befuddles me, for these reasons.- 1. Humans "dismiss, put away" merely physical objects that they dislike. "dismiss, put away" has a negative connotation.
- 2. "dismiss, put away" refers to tangible goods. In the first diagram below, see Property 🢂 personal property 🡺 chattels personal 🡲 choses in possession.
I have never stumbled on any native English speaker saying that they "dismiss, put away" real estate!- [Top picture](https://www.degruyter.com/document/doi/10.1515/ijld-2016-0001/html?lang=de). [Bottom picture](https://www.slideshare.net/lldcd/definitions-of-property-b-slide-show).
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## Definition from law textbook published in England- >DEMISE: A transfer, usually by the grant of
- a lease.
- Antonia Layard, _Thompson's Modern Land Law_ (8 edn, 2022, OUP), page 543.
## My research on etymology>### [demise (n.) ](https://www.etymonline.com/search?q=demise) [on Etymonline]- >
- >mid-15c., "transference of property, grant of land for life or a period of years," via Anglo-French
- from Old French _demis_, fem. past participle of _desmetre_ "dismiss, put away" (Modern French _démettre_),
- from _des-_"away" (from Latin _dis-_)
- \+ _metre_ "put,"[]() from Latin _mittere_ "let go, send" (see [mission](https://www.etymonline.com/word/mission?ref=etymonline_crossreference)).
- >
- >Originally especially "a conveyance of an estate by will or lease," then "transfer of sovereignty," as by the death or deposing of a king (1540s). The sense was transferred to "death" (as the occasion of such a transfer) by 1754, at first especially the death of a sovereign or other important person, but also as a euphemism for "death."
- What semantic notions underlie "dismiss, put away" (desmetre) 🢂 with transferring property or granting a lease (demise)?
- This semantic shift befuddles me, because
- 1. Humans "dismiss, put away" merely physical objects that they dislike. "dismiss, put away" has a negative connotation.
- 2. "dismiss, put away" refers to tangible goods. In the first diagram below, see Property 🢂 personal property 🡺 chattels personal 🡲 choses in possession.
- No native English speaker would say that they "dismiss, put away" real estate!
- [Top picture](https://www.degruyter.com/document/doi/10.1515/ijld-2016-0001/html?lang=de). [Bottom picture](https://www.slideshare.net/lldcd/definitions-of-property-b-slide-show).
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- ### Definition from law textbook published in England
- >DEMISE: A transfer, usually by the grant of
- a lease.
- Antonia Layard, _Thompson's Modern Land Law_ (8 edn, 2022, OUP), page 543.
- ### [demise (n.) ](https://www.etymonline.com/search?q=demise) [on Etymonline]
- >
- >mid-15c., "transference of property, grant of land for life or a period of years," via Anglo-French
- from Old French _demis_, fem. past participle of _desmetre_ "dismiss, put away" (Modern French _démettre_),
- from _des-_"away" (from Latin _dis-_)
- \+ _metre_ "put,"[]() from Latin _mittere_ "let go, send" (see [mission](https://www.etymonline.com/word/mission?ref=etymonline_crossreference)).
- >
- >Originally especially "a conveyance of an estate by will or lease," then "transfer of sovereignty," as by the death or deposing of a king (1540s). The sense was transferred to "death" (as the occasion of such a transfer) by 1754, at first especially the death of a sovereign or other important person, but also as a euphemism for "death."
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PSTH
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2022-07-18T02:25:02Z (over 2 years ago)
What semantic notions underlie "dismiss, put away" (desmetre) 🡺 with transferring property or granting a lease (demise)?
- Demise — How did "dismiss, put away" semantically shift to mean 🡲 a transfer of property, or the grant of a lease?
How does "dismiss, put away" 🡲 semantically appertain to a transfer of property, or the grant of a lease?- This semantic shift befuddles me, for these reasons.
- 1. Humans "dismiss, put away" merely physical objects that they dislike. "dismiss, put away" has a negative connotation.
2. "dismiss, put away" refers to tangible goods (see Property 🡲 personal property 🡲 chattels personal 🡲 choses in possession). See diagram below.- I have never stumbled on any native English speaker saying that they "dismiss, put away" real estate!
- [Top picture](https://www.degruyter.com/document/doi/10.1515/ijld-2016-0001/html?lang=de). [Bottom picture](https://www.slideshare.net/lldcd/definitions-of-property-b-slide-show).
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- ## Definition from law textbook published in England
- >DEMISE: A transfer, usually by the grant of
- a lease.
- Antonia Layard, _Thompson's Modern Land Law_ (8 edn, 2022, OUP), page 543.
- ## My research on etymology
- >### [demise (n.) ](https://www.etymonline.com/search?q=demise) [on Etymonline]
- >
- >mid-15c., "transference of property, grant of land for life or a period of years," via Anglo-French
- from Old French _demis_, fem. past participle of _desmetre_ "dismiss, put away" (Modern French _démettre_),
- from _des-_"away" (from Latin _dis-_)
- \+ _metre_ "put,"[]() from Latin _mittere_ "let go, send" (see [mission](https://www.etymonline.com/word/mission?ref=etymonline_crossreference)).
- >
- >Originally especially "a conveyance of an estate by will or lease," then "transfer of sovereignty," as by the death or deposing of a king (1540s). The sense was transferred to "death" (as the occasion of such a transfer) by 1754, at first especially the death of a sovereign or other important person, but also as a euphemism for "death."
- What semantic notions underlie "dismiss, put away" (desmetre) 🢂 with transferring property or granting a lease (demise)?
- This semantic shift befuddles me, for these reasons.
- 1. Humans "dismiss, put away" merely physical objects that they dislike. "dismiss, put away" has a negative connotation.
- 2. "dismiss, put away" refers to tangible goods. In the first diagram below, see Property 🢂 personal property 🡺 chattels personal 🡲 choses in possession.
- I have never stumbled on any native English speaker saying that they "dismiss, put away" real estate!
- [Top picture](https://www.degruyter.com/document/doi/10.1515/ijld-2016-0001/html?lang=de). [Bottom picture](https://www.slideshare.net/lldcd/definitions-of-property-b-slide-show).
- 
- 
- ## Definition from law textbook published in England
- >DEMISE: A transfer, usually by the grant of
- a lease.
- Antonia Layard, _Thompson's Modern Land Law_ (8 edn, 2022, OUP), page 543.
- ## My research on etymology
- >### [demise (n.) ](https://www.etymonline.com/search?q=demise) [on Etymonline]
- >
- >mid-15c., "transference of property, grant of land for life or a period of years," via Anglo-French
- from Old French _demis_, fem. past participle of _desmetre_ "dismiss, put away" (Modern French _démettre_),
- from _des-_"away" (from Latin _dis-_)
- \+ _metre_ "put,"[]() from Latin _mittere_ "let go, send" (see [mission](https://www.etymonline.com/word/mission?ref=etymonline_crossreference)).
- >
- >Originally especially "a conveyance of an estate by will or lease," then "transfer of sovereignty," as by the death or deposing of a king (1540s). The sense was transferred to "death" (as the occasion of such a transfer) by 1754, at first especially the death of a sovereign or other important person, but also as a euphemism for "death."
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PSTH
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2022-07-18T02:09:40Z (over 2 years ago)
- >DEMISE: A transfer, usually by the grant of
- a lease.
- Antonia Layard, _Thompson's Modern Land Law_ (8 edn, 2022, OUP), page 543.
>## [demise (n.) ](https://www.etymonline.com/search?q=demise) [on Etymonline]- >
- >mid-15c., "transference of property, grant of land for life or a period of years," via Anglo-French
- from Old French _demis_, fem. past participle of _desmetre_ "dismiss, put away" (Modern French _démettre_),
- from _des-_"away" (from Latin _dis-_)
- \+ _metre_ "put,"[]() from Latin _mittere_ "let go, send" (see [mission](https://www.etymonline.com/word/mission?ref=etymonline_crossreference)).
- >
- >Originally especially "a conveyance of an estate by will or lease," then "transfer of sovereignty," as by the death or deposing of a king (1540s). The sense was transferred to "death" (as the occasion of such a transfer) by 1754, at first especially the death of a sovereign or other important person, but also as a euphemism for "death."
How does "dismiss, put away" 🡲 semantically appertain to a transfer of property, or the grant of a lease?This semantic shift befuddles me, for these reasons.1. Humans "dismiss, put away" merely physical objects that they dislike. "dismiss, put away" has a negative connotation.2. "dismiss, put away" refers to tangible goods (see Property 🡲 personal property 🡲 chattels personal 🡲 choses in possession). See diagram below.I have never stumbled on any native English speaker saying that they "dismiss, put away" real estate. [Bottom picture](https://www.slideshare.net/lldcd/definitions-of-property-b-slide-show).
- How does "dismiss, put away" 🡲 semantically appertain to a transfer of property, or the grant of a lease?
- This semantic shift befuddles me, for these reasons.
- 1. Humans "dismiss, put away" merely physical objects that they dislike. "dismiss, put away" has a negative connotation.
- 2. "dismiss, put away" refers to tangible goods (see Property 🡲 personal property 🡲 chattels personal 🡲 choses in possession). See diagram below.
- I have never stumbled on any native English speaker saying that they "dismiss, put away" real estate!
- [Top picture](https://www.degruyter.com/document/doi/10.1515/ijld-2016-0001/html?lang=de). [Bottom picture](https://www.slideshare.net/lldcd/definitions-of-property-b-slide-show).
- 
- 
- ## Definition from law textbook published in England
- >DEMISE: A transfer, usually by the grant of
- a lease.
- Antonia Layard, _Thompson's Modern Land Law_ (8 edn, 2022, OUP), page 543.
- ## My research on etymology
- >### [demise (n.) ](https://www.etymonline.com/search?q=demise) [on Etymonline]
- >
- >mid-15c., "transference of property, grant of land for life or a period of years," via Anglo-French
- from Old French _demis_, fem. past participle of _desmetre_ "dismiss, put away" (Modern French _démettre_),
- from _des-_"away" (from Latin _dis-_)
- \+ _metre_ "put,"[]() from Latin _mittere_ "let go, send" (see [mission](https://www.etymonline.com/word/mission?ref=etymonline_crossreference)).
- >
- >Originally especially "a conveyance of an estate by will or lease," then "transfer of sovereignty," as by the death or deposing of a king (1540s). The sense was transferred to "death" (as the occasion of such a transfer) by 1754, at first especially the death of a sovereign or other important person, but also as a euphemism for "death."
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PSTH
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2022-07-18T01:44:21Z (over 2 years ago)
What semantic notions underlie "dismiss, put away" (desmetre) 🡺 with transferring property or granting a lease (demise)?
>DEMISE: A transfer, usually by the grant of a lease. Antonia Layard, _Thompson's Modern Land Law_ (8 edn, 2022, OUP), page 543. >## [demise (n.) ](https://www.etymonline.com/search?q=demise) [on Etymonline] > >mid-15c., "transference of property, grant of land for life or a period of years," via Anglo-French from Old French _demis_, fem. past participle of _desmetre_ "dismiss, put away" (Modern French _démettre_), from _des-_"away" (from Latin _dis-_) \+ _metre_ "put,"[]() from Latin _mittere_ "let go, send" (see [mission](https://www.etymonline.com/word/mission?ref=etymonline_crossreference)). > >Originally especially "a conveyance of an estate by will or lease," then "transfer of sovereignty," as by the death or deposing of a king (1540s). The sense was transferred to "death" (as the occasion of such a transfer) by 1754, at first especially the death of a sovereign or other important person, but also as a euphemism for "death." How does "dismiss, put away" 🡲 semantically appertain to a transfer of property, or the grant of a lease? This semantic shift befuddles me, for these reasons. 1. Humans "dismiss, put away" merely physical objects that they dislike. "dismiss, put away" has a negative connotation. 2. "dismiss, put away" refers to tangible goods (see Property 🡲 personal property 🡲 chattels personal 🡲 choses in possession). See diagram below. I have never stumbled on any native English speaker saying that they "dismiss, put away" real estate! [Top picture](https://www.degruyter.com/document/doi/10.1515/ijld-2016-0001/html?lang=de). [Bottom picture](https://www.slideshare.net/lldcd/definitions-of-property-b-slide-show).  