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Lojban [conlang], 73 characters fi'i lo bangu ja banske selci'i .i do selcemcmi binxo a'o la .banjybansk. Quick pronunciation notes: The writing is a completely regular phonetic transcription...

posted 11mo ago by Karl Knechtel‭

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#1: Initial revision by user avatar Karl Knechtel‭ · 2023-12-04T15:20:32Z (11 months ago)
## Lojban [conlang], 73 characters

> fi'i lo bangu ja banske selci'i .i do selcemcmi binxo a'o la .banjybansk.

Quick pronunciation notes: The writing is a completely regular phonetic transcription. Vowels are as in Spanish; 'y' is /ə/~/ʌ/, 'j' is /ʒ/, 'x' is /x/, 'c' is /ʃ/, apostrophe is /h/ (and always breaks syllables), period is a pause or /ʔ/. Accent is by stress, regularly on the penultimate syllable ("bansk" is two syllables).

Gloss:

> [vocative tag: welcoming] a/some language inclusive-or language-science [swap subject and direct object]-interesting [sentence separator] you [swap subject and direct object]-community-element become [attitudinal: hope] that-named "banjybansk"

Translation:

> "Welcome, you who are interested in language or linguistics. Hopefully you become a community-member of Languages & Linguistics."

Notes:

* This is not golfed. The main intent here is to showcase how Lojban works.
    * Spaces between words can *usually* be omitted; I'm too lazy to figure it out exactly.
    * I follow the "dotside" convention (names have an enforced pause or glottal stop, represented by a period, on either side; this is to allow them to contain certain combinations of vowels and consonants that would otherwise cause ambiguity).
    * I follow *gendra* (rules for new compound words that enforce how place-conversions are used, so that the place structure of the new predicate can be systematically inferred rather than intuited). 
    * Especially considering *gendra*, trying to combine "selcemcmi binxo" into a single compound wouldn't work very well. Using a simple *tanru* like this is simpler, however, than filling the place structure of "binxo" normally; aside from being longer, it's awkward and unidiomatic ("do binxo a'o lo ka selcemcmi be la .banjybansk.", I think).

* Separating out "language" and "linguistics" would probably seem redundant to a Lojbanistani, but I wanted to preserve that aspect of the structure.

* The name "banjybansk" ends with a consonant, since names typically do so. It's intended to evoke `bangu ja banske`, i.e. something which either is a language and/or is linguistic in nature.

* The -sel- element in compound words is not really swapping "subject and direct object", but rather the first two places of a predicate.

* Attitudinals are free modifiers, roughly equivalent to emoji in written natural language except that they have a pronunciation. They generally apply to the entire sentence when at the beginning; otherwise to the immediately preceding word or concept.